#FirstThingsFirst - Shivambu describes relationship with Malema as a "political relationship".

MK Party National Organiser Floyd Shivambu joined Sizwe Mpofu-Walsh on the latter's politics podcast SMWX. Shivambu on various subjects, including his reasons for leaving the EFF. When speaking about EFF leader Julius Malema, he used words like gangsterism and self-enrichment. The team discussed the about turn Shivambu has made since the last time where he referred to Malema as a "brother". Listeners joined the conversation by sharing their views on the relationship between Shivambu and Malema.