Unframed Podcast

UNFRAMED  |  Podcast , ±52 min episodes every 3 weeks, 2 days  | 
Unframed is a podcast exploring the contemporary arts in South Africa. Through conversations with visual arts professionals - including artists, curators, gallerists, writers, collectors - we hope to gain inspiration and insight into the industry and people’s careers. The series is hosted by Anthea Pokroy, a Johannesburg-based artist, photographer and founder of Assemblage.

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S03 E01 / Talk: ‘Museums in the 21st Century’ at Cape Town Art Fair

Traditionally art museums have functioned as a sanctuary, a place for meditation whilst also offering education. They have also been a cultural resource contributing to the economic engine that has strengthened local businesses through cultural tourism. In recent years, this model of museums as a shrine to history has been rethought particularly with an interest to dramatically increase audiences of every kind, whilst also recognizing the role technology plays in everyday lives. It is said that museums have gone from, “being about something to being for somebody”. Such a shift in perspective has raised many questions about what was and could be a museum in the 21stcentury. This panel will explore the various ways museums respond to pressures and challenges of the coming decade.

MODERATOR: Tumelo Mosaka (Curator, New York)

Adriana Rispoili  (Independent Curator, Italy)
Koyo Kouoh (Dir. Zeitz MOCAA, Cape Town)
Sonia Lawson (Dir. Palais de Lomé, Lomé)
Nana Oforiatta-Ayim (Founder and director of ANO Institute of Contemporary Arts, Accra)

(text courtesy of Investec Cape Town Art Fair)

S02 E09 / Interview: '9 Years of Assemblage' with Louise van der Bijl

Episode 19 is a very special and important one to me - with my friend and colleague Louise van Der Bijl. In 2010, Louise and I co-founded Assemblage, a non-profit artist-run organisation, which aimed to provide support, education and networks for emerging artists. After 9 years of hosting many workshops, peer mentoring sessions, exhibitions and studio spaces - all of which encouraged community, sharing, collaboration and professional practice for hundreds of artists - Assemblage has decided to close its metaphorical doors. In this episode, Louise and I reflect on how and why Assemblage started, our failures and successes, the ever-changing Johannesburg arts landscape and our ultimate decision to close the organization.

S02 E08 / Talk: 'On David Koloane' with Thembinkosi Goniwe & Justin Davy

This episode is another recorded talk from the art fair week in September of this year, 2019. It was recorded at Art Joburg and is a conversation about the great and influential David Koloane who passed away at the age of 81 in June this year. I was so happy to hear that this talk was happening at Art Joburg, as I was planning an episode remembering the life and work of David Koloane. Both speakers, art historian and curator Thembinkosi Goniwe and Goodman gallery curator Justin Davy, worked intimately with David in the last few months of his life, pulling together his prolific and profound body of work for a major retrospective exhibition. Fortunately, David was able to see the first incarnation of the exhibition at Iziko National Gallery in Cape Town in June this year but sadly would not live to see its second incarnation at the Standard Bank Gallery in Johannesburg which opened just last week and runs until 6 December.

Thank you to Art Joburg for allowing me to record this talk and to publish it on Unframed, and to Thembinkosi and Justin for an insightful and poignant tribute to David Koloane.

S02 E07 / Talk: 'How to change the art world in 2 hours' at Latitudes Art Fair 2019

This episode is a talk that I recorded as part of Latitudes Art Fair last month, September 2019. It is an informal panel discussion, which was hosted by the brilliant Michelle Constant, is entitled “How to change the art world in 2 hours”. Thirteen artists, curators, gallerists, critics and arts advocates were invited to respond to this provocation. Each speaker had 5 minutes to champion their utopian wishes or practical solutions to make the art world a more supportive, equal and engaged space.

Thank you to Latitudes Art Fair for allowing me to record this talk and to publish it on the Unframed platform. Enjoy listening to this wonderfully interesting and collaborative presentation.

This is the list of speakers in order and where to find them:

Hosted by Michelle Constant @michelleconstant_

Sean O’Toole - Journalist, art critic and editor @seanwotoole
Mike Mavura - Stellenbosch Triennale / Stellenbosch Academy of Design and Photography @tigere_mavura @stellenboschtriennale
Valerie Kabov - Director at First Floor Gallery Harare, Editor at large Art Africa Magazine @firstfloorgalleryharare
Sibongile Metsing - South African Mint @southafricanmint
Roelof van Wyk - Artist, Director of the Social Impact Arts Prize @afrikanae @socialimpactartsprizeza
Tamzin Lovell - Artfundi Art Management Software Founder and Director @tamzinlovellmiller
Pitika Ntuli - Sculptor, poet, writer and academic @pitika_ntuli
Daudi Karungi - Artist, curator, owner of Afriart Gallery @afriartgallery @daudikarungi
Kefiloe Siwisa - Curator @womlambo
Zen Marie - Artist and academic @znmarie
Michael Memeo - Director at Gallery TINY Harlem @gallerytinyharlem
Stephen Hobbs - Artist, Co-director at The Trinity Session @hobbsstep @thetrinitysession
Mbali Tshabalala - Artist, Curator @mbali_tshabalala_

S02 E06 / Talk: Sam Nhlengethwa & William Kentridge at Wits Art Museum

This episode is a talk that I recorded at the Wits Art Museum in July 2019, between two prolific South African artists, Sam Nhlengethwa and William Kentridge, over the time that Sam’s print retrospective was displayed at WAM.

This talk continues from a previous conversation between the two last year at the Centre for the Less Good Idea. Both artists were born in 1955, a fact on which the talk was premised, and engaged how their lives and careers have grown in parallel, sometimes converging, over the decades. The conversation is moderated by the wonderful Neil Dundas, a curator at the Goodman Gallery who has worked with both men for many decades.

The focus of this conversation is largely on how music has been so influential to both their art practices and they have compiled a playlist which they refer to during the talk. Those music pieces haven’t always translated well in the recording so I have included the playlist below so you can listen to each song with more appreciation.

On iTunes: https://music.apple.com/za/playlist/sam-william-at-wam-2019/pl.u-38oWXm4sZlZbaL
On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0M9hFoHYaXkfXPEtdDjOSB

Enjoy listening to this engaging conversation with Sam Nhlengethwa and William Kentridge.

Thank you to Wits Art Museum for allowing me to record this talk and publish it on Unframed.

S02 E05 / Interview: 'The Artist Interview' with Joost Bosland

In this episode, I interview one of the directors of Stevenson Gallery, Joost Bosland. We speak about the role of art criticism internationally and in South Africa, primarily focussed on his research about the 'artist interview' as a form or genre in art criticism. Can the artist interview offer a more empathetic value to art criticism?
We also chat more generally about the South African art scene and explore how contemporary art is defined.

Joost is an avid listener of podcasts and these are his favourites at the moment:
Collect Wisely: https://podcasts.apple.com/za/podcast/collect-wisely/id1378595357
In Other Words: https://podcasts.apple.com/za/podcast/in-other-words/id1203133627

Stevenson website: www.stevenson.info

S02 E04 / Talk: 'Collectives & Sustainability' at Turbine Art Fair 2019

This episode is the third of 4 talks recorded at Turbine Art Fair 2019.

Title: "Concerning Us: On collective sustainability"

Panel discussion with Blaque INQ Contemporaries (Kamogelo Masemola), Danger Gevaar Ingozi Studio (Chad Codeiro), Free State Collective (Karen Brusch), moderated by Aysha Waja (curator)

This panel will explore how artist collectives can be sustained and developed, against a trend of their rapid dissolution.  What is the value of collaboration and can collectives withstand the fast-pace changes of the industry while maintaining their identities and ethos? (source: TAF website)

The talks programme was curated by Kefiloe Sawisa and Nomvoyu Horwitz. Thanks to them and Turbine Art Fair for allowing us to record and host this panel discussion on Unframed.

S02 E03 / Talk: 'Queering Representation' at Turbine Art Fair 2019

This episode is the second of 4 talks recorded at Turbine Art Fair 2019.

Title: "There are No Lines Here: Queering visibility and representation"

Panel discussion with Jody Brand (artist), Evaan Ferreira (artist), Umlilo (musician), moderated by Keval Harie (Director: Gay and Lesbian Archive GALA)

The panelists in this discussion are all practising artists whose works' deal with the froughtness of identification and (self)representation. Using mythological fantasies, the virtual and the speculative, these artists are shaping aesthetic forms and narratives that challenge binary identity politics. (source: TAF website)

The talks programme was curated by Kefiloe Siwisa and Nomvoyu Horwitz. Thanks to them and Turbine Art Fair for allowing us to record and host this panel discussion on Unframed.

S02 E02 / Talk: 'Art Investment' at Turbine Art Fair 2019

This episode is the first of a series of 4 talks that were recorded at Turbine Art Fair 2019.

Title: "It was Given to me to Give to You: Art collecting & inter-generational wealth creation"

Panel discussion with Jack Ginsberg (Ampersand Foundation), Sean Meyersfeld (investment specialist) and Dr Alastair Meredith (Senior Art Specialist: Strauss & Co)

In this panel, art’s potential as a form of wealth creation and legacy building will be explored. Investment specialists and collectors will discuss how establishing an art collection can be an integral part of a robust investment portfolio. (source: TAF website)

The talks programme was curated by Kefiloe Siwisa and Nomvoyu Horwitz. Thanks to them and Turbine Art Fair for allowing us to record and host this panel discussion on Unframed.

S02 E01 / Interview: 'FNB Art Joburg 2019' with Mandla Sibeko

Welcome back to Unframed - a podcast which hosts talks and conversations about South African art and artists. I am your host Anthea Pokroy. You may have noticed a very large gap between this and the last episode. I was finishing off my Masters in Fine Art and so, unfortunately, had to focus all my energy on that. But Unframed is now back and we are looking forward to the program that is to follow in the coming months!

In this episode, I am excited to be in conversation with Mandla Sibeko, the new owner and director of Art Joburg which is a new incarnation of the iconic Joburg Art Fair. This rebranded and revisioned art fair will take place in a few weeks from 13-15 September at Sandton Convention Centre.

In this interview, Mandla explains to me this shift from the old to the new, and the reasons behind it; what this new art fair will consist of - what we as visitors can expect to see and experience at the fair; the role of this and other art fairs in Joburg, South Africa and internationally in the broader art ecosystem.

Be sure to clear your calendars between 13-15 September for Art Joburg and its affiliated Gallery Weekend, as well as for Latitudes Art Fair and The Underline Show happening the same weekend. Check out their websites and social media for more info on very exciting showcases of South African art:
Art Joburg: https://artjoburg.com/
Latitudes Art Fair: https://latitudesartfair.com/
The Underline Show: https://underlineprojects.art/

I would be very interested to hear your thoughts on Art Joburg and the other fairs happening at this time? Please feel free to comment on the post for this episode on Facebook (https://facebook.com/unframedpodcast) and Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/unframedpodcast/).

Dont forget to subscribe to Unframed Podcast on iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/za/podcast/unframed) and instantly receive new episodes as they are released
Giving a review would be awesome too please!

Thanks for joining me, until next time!

S01 E10 / Interview: ‘Artist Copyright’ with Eitan Stern

In today’s episode I interview lawyer Eitan Stern from Legalese about artist copyright and other legal aspects that artists should consider in making work and in their careers. My intial interest in chatting with Eitan arose from an incident that occurred at the Joburg Art Fair this September 2018, where South African photographer Graeme Williams accused American artist Hank Willis Thomas of using William's photograph in Willis’ own artwork without his permission. Read more about it and see the images here:
We use this case to discuss further issues of artist copyright and what artists should be considering when using other people’s images in their own artwork. We also explore the rights of photographers, as well as the business of arts. Eitan encourages artists to be professional by using contracts and to take the initiative to understand fully every transaction that is made. This episode is really insightful especially for emerging artists and photographers.

Contact Legalese here: https://legalese.co.za/#contact-us-section
Read the article on How Not To Get Sued for Your Photography here: https://10and5.com/2018/09/25/not-get-sued-photography/
Sign up as a member with VANSA here: https://vansa.co.za/membership/

S01 E09 / Talk: William Kentridge and Yinka Shonibare

This episode is part of of the "Talk” component of Unframed, as opposed to the “Interview” which is an interview directly with your host Anthea Pokroy. The “Talk” component features art dialogues, talks and panel discussions that happen around the country outside of this podcast, but where we are lucky enough to add the content to this platform for many to hear. I was fortunate to attend this one in September 2018, between artists William Kentridge and Yinka Shonibare. Shonibare, a British-Nigerian artist based in the UK, came to South Africa in September for the opening of his exhibition at the Goodman Gallery. As part of the Centre for the Less Good Idea’s Once Off program, Kentridge hosted Shonibare for a conversation between the two prolific artists. Thank you so much to the Centre, the Goodman Gallery and the FNB Art Fair for allowing the recording of this dynamic conversation to be aired on Unframed. Enjoy listening to William Kentridge and Yinka Shonibare in dialogue about their art practices

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