IRR researcher says Maimane has failed and backs Winde

A researcher from the Institute for Race Relations says he is backing Western Cape Premier Alan Winde to take over from Mmusi Maimane as leader of the DA. Hermann Pretorius says although Maimane has had some successes in taking the party forward his leadership has not taken the party far enough. Pretorius says Winde has a good track record on governance.
Guest: Analyst and writer at the Institute of Race Relations, Hermann Pretorius
Guest: Solly Malatsi – DA spokesperson